I was including any lower ranking ones she might have bollocked too there.
Median income in the UK is actually £29,000.
Truss (general uk sucks thread)
We’re going to hell in a fucking handcart, Amps.
Along_the_Wire You’re not wrong!
Oven ready, best deal, we hold all the cards…
That was great. Liz Truss. Is. A. Disgrace.
How long before we are trying to get back into Europe? A decade? Less? I reckon we will all still be on here to see it.
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Amps that’s actually a really interesting and intelligent question in my opinion. Something I am many other people have been thinking about quite a lot.
you could break it down like this. Say there are three possibilities. Reintegration, peaceful separation, further disintegration.
I reckon peaceful separation has got to be at least a 7 out of ten shot over a ten year horizon. 2/10 for further disintegration and 10% chance of reintegration.
I’m not trying to deny there will be significant downsides, in the short term especially, but over the medium to long term it’s really hard to say what the optimal configuration would look like. I see a lot of advantages for all stakeholders (consumers, producers, entrepreneurs) in having the UK outside of the EU.
This is not some sort of ideological position. I’m not massively anti EU and was a reluctant remainer. I’m a Green tory if such a thing exists. small t, big p as I tell the ladies.
I just think it is often for the greater good to not have huge economic and legislative power concentrated in the hands of a small number of people. In fact, there’s not much I feel more sure about than that.
C_J I’m not trying to deny there will be significant downsides, in the short term especially, but over the medium to long term it’s really hard to say what the optimal configuration would look like.
Do you not think that due to all the short term significant downsides, there will be a lot of poor people keen to go back to ‘how it was’ and as such we will be looking to go back sooner rather than later?
C_J I just think it is often for the greater good to not have huge economic and legislative power concentrated in the hands of a small number of people.
Yeah, me too! Thats exactly how I feel about the Tory party / posh southerners who couldn’t give cunting fuck about the North. It was always nice to have them, and anyone else in Downing Street, with a European leash on them. Pity that has now gone.
Amps Thats exactly how I feel about the Tory party / posh southerners who couldn’t give cunting fuck about the North. It was always nice to have them, and anyone else in Downing Street, with a European leash on them. Pity that has now gone.
Well. I have to say that I have an older, smarter, even-more-Scottish-than-me colleague who basically say this. He says that the EU put money into the parts of the UK that Tory politicians can’t reach (#Heineken). The North essentially. By which I mean northern England and northern Scotland too.
I disagree with him. I think the threat of Scottish nationalism combined with the levelling up agenda and the proximity of the electorate means that money should be distributed more evenly under Brexit….even if it doesn’t fit with their cost-benefit analysis which always favours London. I think there’s an awareness now that this methodology is costing votes and potentially Kingdoms.
To summarise, smarter people than me agree with you but I believe the logic, if not history, is on my side. The past is not always a guide to the future.
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Who confirms that none of the ppe ever appeared, amps? As zacko has already proven, you can literally share a tweet with a pitiful link to pretty much anything your mind can fathom and claim it as fact.* Not having a pop at you. Just always seem to be irked by these types of tweets.
The fact I didn’t read the all of comments after the tweet means that I will be utterly destroyed in the next 3 mins when amps posts the facts to back up the tweet and I will learn to read everything before commenting next time!
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I was involved in at least [redacted] of these companies Si and I don’t think we sent much more than a couple of hundred carrier bags. See my post on the classic Bedrock Covid-19 thread circa Feb 2019 “ opens mask shop “ xx
-si- No mate, I agree, it’s very difficult to verify every one of those claims before posting. But, I know a fair bit of it has been documented and discussed in parliament which I would imagine gives it some veracity. I think the reason I want to post something like that, regardless of how much of it I can prove, is because I’m astonished at how corrupt they have been, even if it’s only half as bad as that post suggests.
C_J I disagree with him. I think the threat of Scottish nationalism combined with the levelling up agenda and the proximity of the electorate means that money should be distributed more evenly under Brexit….
This is sort of the problem… they will only spread the wealth evenly whilst there is some sort of threat to their power. Once Brexit is a distant memory and all the independence chatter has died down, they will go back to treating everyone who isn’t in London, or their best friend, like shite.
The EU was delightfully benevolent. Some bean counter in Brussels doesn’t have any history with me, he doesn’t have an opinion on me or where I come from, he just sees that my part of the country has reached a threshold of one kind or another and therefore gets some of it’s taxes back. Boris and chums have opinions, very human opinions, very southern middle class opinions, and they don’t like you, or me, or anyone who didn’t go to Eaton or the like, and they will leave you to rot if they think they can get away with it… and the minute they think they are no longer getting away with it, they will whip out a new initiative or investment plan to appease you and make you forget you have been left to rot. See the Northern Powerhouse etc.
Back in the 80s Geoffrey Howe told Thatcher to not spend any money on Liverpool and instead leave it to a ‘managed decline’. I don’t think the current Tories are any different at all. I’d say they where currently doing something similar with the NHS. If any of them gave a fuck, they’d be pouring resources into it, not giving out bullshit PPE contracts. They see everything through the lens of business and not people.
I’d quite like to be governed by a super intelligent non political AI or some sort, but failing that, I’d like all parties to agree to a GDP percentage budget for the NHS and then ring fence it with some sort of accord that would forever take it out of the hands of any future government of any persuasion.
