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Going greener isn’t about cheaper it’s about what’s best for the planet. I would assume at some point in the future the cost will reduce as it becomes more efficient to produce. Until then we pay a premium for doing the right thing. I’m good with that. The demand for everything cheaper is what’s wrong with society. Cheap on the whole equals shit, whether it’s food, clothes, electrical, cars etc etc

    Smallman1 I think that’s classed as a hate crime now

      gcw maybe your kids will give a monkey’s, you’ll be long gone by the time it’s far too late.

        hugopal We’ve better sense than your parents clearly.

          Finland’s been one of the best decarbonizers in the world, yet we also have very cheap energy. Weird, huh?

          RichM The high cost of energy isn’t just bad for consumers and energy security, it’s bad for the economy. It’s a positive deterrent to manufacturers setting up business here as opposed to elsewhere. Electricity isn’t a luxury like cars or clothes. It’s half the price in France but they weren’t stupid in enough to turn their back on nuclear. Our energy policy and obsession with net zero is nuts. We contribute 1% to global emissions for fucks sake.

              alistair French electricity is state owned and subsidised. You wouldn’t want that, surely? Businesses need to make a profit, right?

                alistair We contribute 1% to global emissions for fucks sake.

                And what about our responsibility to emissions from China and other manufacturing nations where we have goods made?

                  alistair so what you are saying is fuck the planet because it’s too expensive to try and preserve it. Seems very short sighted to me. Sometimes you have to pay to do the right thing.

                      RichM No, that’s not what I am saying. I see the government has now pivoted to a third runway at Heathrow. Is that destroying the planet too

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                            alistair fair point, it won’t help the planet. Maybe if they encourage cheaper fees for airlines at the 3rd runway for airplanes which are more environmentally friendly that may be a good start.

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                                    Dubman It really is like something from a nightmare.

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                                        I see Trump has given Starmer some praise, saying he is doing a good job. That will be pissing off Farage and Musk, which is nice

                                        Apparently his call with the Danish PM went as you would expect. A new age of American imperialism it is then. Great.

                                          Millsy
                                          All that power has gone to his head. He going to be far worse than last time. Its frightening.

                                              Dubman yep. Looks like it. Greatest country in the world though, so we are all blessed ❤️

                                                Dubman This is what happens when the Supreme Court decides that consequences don’t apply to you. He doesn’t need to get re-elected, it’s going to be drastically different this time.

                                                What did he accomplish in from 2016-2020? Almost nothing because of the infighting and general incompetence. This time, he’s got project 2025 directing him, which is why we’ve seen the flurry of executive orders already. He’s not smart enough or capable of the planning that something like this takes to be effective.

                                                If we didn’t live next door and have to deal with the immediate fallout, I’d actually enjoy watching him burn everything down.