Will anti vaxers ultimately mean there are no anti vaxers?

    Amps

    I could not give a single shit. I understood some hesitancy in some groups initially, trust wasn’t there, but it’s been a year since my first jab and my head hasn’t fallen off.

        LT42 So is there no science towards herd immunity for this much milder variant?

            jonattonyeah I understood some hesitancy in some groups initially, trust wasn’t there, but it’s been a year since my first jab and my head hasn’t fallen off.

            Get aload of Donal Trump over here.

                Mask mandates across the board reinstituted for all nine Bay Area Counties. This should be a rough few weeks but we’ll get through it. The vaccines are holding up very well but the positive cases are through the fucking roof. We might top 1,000 a day just in San Francisco.

                As for herd immunity, not happening.

                People in the U.K. finally beginning to twig that Onicrom may be the end of severe covid.. remember this projection of a range of deaths of 25k-75k by the end of April…. A little more than 2 weeks ago… these numbers looked stupid then and even more stupid now..

                https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-59621029

                  Still reporting cases over admissions as well, just pick the higher number it’s more dramatic!

                    Hursty even admissions don’t tell the real story because so many of them turn out to be mild… even in London, which is so ahead of elsewhere in the U.K., occupancy of ventilated beds has hardly moved

                      Only goes to show how wrong SAGE were/are.

                      Sajid Javid especially can go and do one with his comments about big spike in deaths….

                        Jules72 and Sir Keir wouldn’t have lifted restrictions in July and would have imposed a pre Christmas lockdown.

                            Jules72 People in the U.K. finally beginning to twig that Onicrom may be the end of severe covid.. remember this projection of a range of deaths of 25k-75k by the end of April…. A little more than 2 weeks ago… these numbers looked stupid then and even more stupid now..

                            Jules72 Sajid Javid especially can go and do one with his comments about big spike in deaths….

                            Get a load of Captain Hindsight here - who only a couple of weeks ago was still was happy to allow further restrictions, including the closing of nightclubs, “to avoid” the so-called “worst case scenario” - which was always a million miles off being a reality.

                                  alistair and Sir Keir wouldn’t have lifted restrictions in July and would have imposed a pre Christmas lockdown.

                                  Yep, one need only look at the absolute clusterfuck of Welsh Labour and the SNP to see how totally unnecessary so many of the restrictions are and have been, and to register the extent to which they’re motivated by political and temperamental viewpoints.

                                  Generally those leaning socialist have been much more risk averse and lacking in minerals, so have been much more keen to hunker down and impose restrictions.

                                  Furthermore, as they and their supporters are more likely to work in the public sector or low-paid roles, and less likely to be “wealth creators” they’re much more happy to see the economy trashed and dynamism reduced.

                                    hugopal errr no… go back and look at what I saying early on on Omicron… you don’t understand what my arguments are, so let me help you: 1) it’s likely the end of severe covid… been saying that for a long time, 2) in the short sharp Omicron spike we are seeing, it’s ridiculous and inconsistent to be contemplating lockdown AND still have stuff like nightclubs open, 3) I said on this forum the worst case scenario of 25k best case deaths was way too pessimistic..get it now you Fckng moron?

                                    Now go and have a wank in your bedroom and get it out of your system alright?

                                        Jules72 2) in the short sharp Omicron spike we are seeing, it’s ridiculous and inconsistent to be contemplating lockdown AND still have stuff like nightclubs open… get it now you Fckng moron?

                                        Nope - the point is that despite your sometime scepticism on Omicron, your automatic response when another lockdown was being contemplated again was not to pushback on it and point out as I had that it was completely absurd that they were even being contemplated at all to begin with. Your inclination was still capitulation and compliance, and that the government should have locked down sooner, rather than later if they were considering it, as opposed to them rejecting the idea completely, which was ultimately the correct course.

                                        And as I’ve pointed out with the nature article that vinny posted, and also in light of the demographics of club goers, just closing nightclubs would do bugger-all other than further damage the industry which, by virtue of your being on this board, one would have imagined you should rather be supporting. However, perhaps you are in fact so much of a “jaded” clubber that you don’t mind the sector being destroyed for what is repeatedly being shown as pointless excuses. You suggested we should remain “cautious” and claimed it was “simple risk management” your words - rather than it being simple needless exceessive risk aversion and puritanism with costly consequences.

                                            I still think we need restrictions now. Not because it’s dangerous with vaccines, but because the society won’t function with half the population isolating at the same time. People will die because the nursing staffs are down due to everyone being on sick leave with covid. Just read about a testing station in the US being closed because everyone working there had covid.